From cketola at wccnet.edu  Sat Jun  6 14:23:13 2020
From: cketola at wccnet.edu (Corey Ketola)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:23:13 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu USB download/install
Message-ID: <CAP9gXm5ZX7oKeuTF113h9ZjVY7=CzfiJ7fHQHQQ__brcyv6fxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone, hope all is well.

I am brand new to Linux. Currently taking classes at WCC for computer
networking. I managed get a spare laptop to throw Linux on an get more
acquainted.

I have been researching on the process to do that, running into usb
writers, etc. I was hoping someone could push me in the right direction.
Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you
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From karl.schuttler at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 15:04:13 2020
From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 15:04:13 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu USB download/install
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Hey Corey! There is a pretty good guide here as long as you have access to
a windows computer. The process is really easy! Just follow the guide and
don't be afraid to make a mistake - you can always try again if you run
into a problem.

https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview

Karl

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 2:26 PM Corey Ketola <cketola at wccnet.edu> wrote:

> Hi everyone, hope all is well.
>
> I am brand new to Linux. Currently taking classes at WCC for computer
> networking. I managed get a spare laptop to throw Linux on an get more
> acquainted.
>
> I have been researching on the process to do that, running into usb
> writers, etc. I was hoping someone could push me in the right direction.
> Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you
> ______________________________________________________
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From cketola at wccnet.edu  Thu Jun 11 20:08:41 2020
From: cketola at wccnet.edu (Corey Ketola)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:08:41 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu
Message-ID: <CAP9gXm4AJOnrHNRPydYNn-V1cyku73uevsJMPwj5W53AjOnwdA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Karl for the tutorial. Now the question is, what next? Any tips
or suggestions on what to get acquainted with would be appreciated.
Planning on using the command line as well as the GUI. Blank canvas here
boys and girls.
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From CLIF at cflynt.com  Thu Jun 11 21:50:35 2020
From: CLIF at cflynt.com (Clif Flynt)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 21:50:35 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu
Message-ID: <20200612015035.GA4819@clif.cflynt.com>

Not to muddy the waters (much), but another option for casual
use is to download one of the "live" DVDs and boot off that.

The performance will suck - since you're dealing with DVD access
speeds instead of hard-disk access, but it's a way to play with
Linux without reworking your Windows system.

Clif


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From jrw32982 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 11 22:22:27 2020
From: jrw32982 at yahoo.com (John Wiersba)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 02:22:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20200612015035.GA4819@clif.cflynt.com>
References: <20200612015035.GA4819@clif.cflynt.com>
Message-ID: <382744821.2136656.1591928547052@mail.yahoo.com>

 That's true, Clif, and I used to do that.? But nowadays I'd prefer to boot off a USB thumb drive than a DVD - they're easier/faster to create, faster to run, they're ubiquitous, and they're re-usable (re-writable).? Hopefully, it's relatively easy to write a DVD iso to a thumb drive, even for a newbie?

    On Thursday, June 11, 2020, 9:57:39 PM EDT, Clif Flynt <clif at cflynt.com> wrote:  
 
 Not to muddy the waters (much), but another option for casual
use is to download one of the "live" DVDs and boot off that.

The performance will suck - since you're dealing with DVD access
speeds instead of hard-disk access, but it's a way to play with
Linux without reworking your Windows system.

Clif


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From sh at brightonit.us  Fri Jun 12 12:20:39 2020
From: sh at brightonit.us (Shawn Hughes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:20:39 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAP9gXm4AJOnrHNRPydYNn-V1cyku73uevsJMPwj5W53AjOnwdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP9gXm4AJOnrHNRPydYNn-V1cyku73uevsJMPwj5W53AjOnwdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b9a0e14-6b9d-e866-2cde-e13d38a491d1@brightonit.us>

Blank canvas may be just a little to open ended.
I expect you'll get more answers if you tell us:
 ?- what led you to try Linux?
 ?- what OS have you been using?, also: what apps; projects; types of 
work/play you're doing.

Projects and applications aside, I'd say get to know the system and 
setup of things like:
- display config / multiple monitors.
- printing / scanning
- audio, microphone, camera, videoconferencing.? (+ a shameless plug for 
opensource jitsu.org )
- network connections: wired, wireless, bluetooth.
- sleep, suspend, hibernate
- networking: smb, nfs, ssh, rsync
- system backup and restore
- system updates

-- 
Shawn Hughes
Brighton I.T. Solutions, LLC


On 6/11/20 8:08 PM, Corey Ketola wrote:
> Thank you Karl for the tutorial. Now the question is, what next? Any 
> tips or suggestions on what to get acquainted with would be 
> appreciated. Planning on using the command line as well as the GUI. 
> Blank canvas here boys and girls.
>
> ______________________________________________________
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From drew4096 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 16:54:23 2020
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:54:23 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20200612015035.GA4819@clif.cflynt.com>
References: <20200612015035.GA4819@clif.cflynt.com>
Message-ID: <CAA37vox6EeH8Jr0AmeSxFiDR1RJxA_SkQ7thQyftQcOwiJVi-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I use a utility called Super Grub 2. It has an option to boot from the
ISO file that you've downloaded, residing on the hard drive. (It must
be in /boot-images on the partition.) Access time is of reading a hard
drive, along with some delay from uncompressing fron squashfs, but
still much faster than DVD access. It does take some innovation and
finesse to set it up to work smoothly; and not all ISO images will
boot this way. But most will, in my experience.

From tgenyk at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 21:48:24 2020
From: tgenyk at gmail.com (Tom Genyk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:48:24 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
Message-ID: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear washlug,

I took a course in Unix and a course at Linux at WCC a few years ago, but
have not touched Linux since.  I do have a computer background.

I have been surfing the web to find a distro for an old laptop that I
inherited.  I want to replace Windows XP with a Linux distro.  Here are the
specs to the computer:

*Toshiba Satelite: *

Processor and Chipset

 ? Intel? Celeron? M Processor 380

o 1.60GHz, 1MB L2, 400MHz FSB

? ATI RADEON? XPRESS 200M Chipset



Memory

 ? Configured with 256MB DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots may be

occupied)

? 256MB(min)/2048MB (max), 2 memory slots using 512MB PC4200

DDR2 533MHz SDRAM, dual-channel support requires two

memory modules of same capacity and clockspeed



Hard Disk Drive

 ? 60GB (5400RPM) Serial-ATA (SATA) hard disk drive; 9.5mm

height; user removable

Fixed Optical Disk Drive



? CD-RW/DVD-ROM

o Maximum speed and compatibility: CD-ROM (24x:read),

CD-R (24x:write), CD-RW (10x:write), DVD-ROM

(8x:read)



Display

 ? 15.4? diagonal widescreen TruBrite? TFT active-matrix LCD

display at 1280x800 native resolution (WXGA)



Graphics

 ? ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? Xpress 200M 64MB-128MB

dynamically allocated shared graphics memory



*Sound*

? Built-in stereo speakers

? SRS Labs audio enhancements

 o SRS TruSurround XT? virtual surround sound

 o SRS WOW? stereo enhancement

? Realtek 861 16-bit stereo software sound

 o Direct 3D Sound, DirectSound, Direct Music, MIDI

(playback)

 o HD Audio

? Sound Volume Control Dial

I will be using this laptop for home office.  Maybe some graphics and
access to the Web. I would want a GUI interface. '
'
I have done some research on the Web.  Here are the distros I found that I
thought would be appropriate.  They are all small distros:
Mint Xfce Linux
Puppy Linux

 psychoslinux


What is your opinion?  I live here in Washtenaw County.  Thank you.
-- 
God's Peace,
Tom Genyk
tgenyk at gmail.com
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From CLIF at cflynt.com  Wed Jun 17 23:10:30 2020
From: CLIF at cflynt.com (Clif Flynt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:10:30 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
Message-ID: <20200618031030.GA23105@clif.cflynt.com>

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:48:24PM -0400, Tom Genyk wrote:
> Dear washlug,
> 
> 
> I have done some research on the Web.  Here are the distros I found that I
> thought would be appropriate.  They are all small distros:
> Mint Xfce Linux
> Puppy Linux
> 
>  psychoslinux

  I'm partial to Ubuntu Studio these days if I expect to want 
audio or video support. It's not a lightweight system, but it's
cheap and easy to test.

  Regardless of the distro, look into one of the lightweight 
display managers (not Gnome or KDE based).

  I like LXDE (Lightweight X Desktop Environment). Othere's like
XFCE or Mate. I've got nothing against them, I just found LXDE first.

  Here's a nice discussion of the systems:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-lean-linux-desktop-environment-lxde-vs-xfce-vs-mate/

  Personally, I like to waste cycles doing stuff, not watching windows
fade in and out, transparencies, shadows, etc.

  Clif

-- 
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...........5 Minutes in Hotel Stormcove. Atthis Arts.............
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 00:38:24 2020
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:38:24 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
In-Reply-To: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTbtdzRC+jiQ4+2Kn_tHMTXj1tiZQTTTd5nrfAJEqAttVg@mail.gmail.com>

The CPU is 32-bit only.  Many distros have dropped 32-bit support.  In the
Ubuntu family 18.04 had the last 32-bit release.  Lubuntu or Xubuntu would
be my recommendation.

If the RAM is only 256MB that will be a major limitation.  Up it to the max
if you can do it for free.  I wouldn't buy new DIMMs for it since you can
find better hardware on eBay or Craigslist cheap.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:51 PM Tom Genyk <tgenyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear washlug,
>
> I took a course in Unix and a course at Linux at WCC a few years ago, but
> have not touched Linux since.  I do have a computer background.
>
> I have been surfing the web to find a distro for an old laptop that I
> inherited.  I want to replace Windows XP with a Linux distro.  Here are the
> specs to the computer:
>
> *Toshiba Satelite: *
>
> Processor and Chipset
>
>  ? Intel? Celeron? M Processor 380
>
> o 1.60GHz, 1MB L2, 400MHz FSB
>
> ? ATI RADEON? XPRESS 200M Chipset
>
>
>
> Memory
>
>  ? Configured with 256MB DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots may be
>
> occupied)
>
> ? 256MB(min)/2048MB (max), 2 memory slots using 512MB PC4200
>
> DDR2 533MHz SDRAM, dual-channel support requires two
>
> memory modules of same capacity and clockspeed
>
>
>
> Hard Disk Drive
>
>  ? 60GB (5400RPM) Serial-ATA (SATA) hard disk drive; 9.5mm
>
> height; user removable
>
> Fixed Optical Disk Drive
>
>
>
> ? CD-RW/DVD-ROM
>
> o Maximum speed and compatibility: CD-ROM (24x:read),
>
> CD-R (24x:write), CD-RW (10x:write), DVD-ROM
>
> (8x:read)
>
>
>
> Display
>
>  ? 15.4? diagonal widescreen TruBrite? TFT active-matrix LCD
>
> display at 1280x800 native resolution (WXGA)
>
>
>
> Graphics
>
>  ? ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? Xpress 200M 64MB-128MB
>
> dynamically allocated shared graphics memory
>
>
>
> *Sound*
>
> ? Built-in stereo speakers
>
> ? SRS Labs audio enhancements
>
>  o SRS TruSurround XT? virtual surround sound
>
>  o SRS WOW? stereo enhancement
>
> ? Realtek 861 16-bit stereo software sound
>
>  o Direct 3D Sound, DirectSound, Direct Music, MIDI
>
> (playback)
>
>  o HD Audio
>
> ? Sound Volume Control Dial
>
> I will be using this laptop for home office.  Maybe some graphics and
> access to the Web. I would want a GUI interface. '
> '
> I have done some research on the Web.  Here are the distros I found that I
> thought would be appropriate.  They are all small distros:
> Mint Xfce Linux
> Puppy Linux
>
>  psychoslinux
>
>
> What is your opinion?  I live here in Washtenaw County.  Thank you.
> --
> God's Peace,
> Tom Genyk
> tgenyk at gmail.com
> ______________________________________________________
> washlug mailing list    washlug web site
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From carl at carltm.com  Thu Jun 18 08:09:20 2020
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:09:20 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
In-Reply-To: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a263683-70fb-af72-223e-9009b8a804e8@carltm.com>



On 6/17/20 9:48 PM, Tom Genyk wrote:
> I took a course in Unix and a course at Linux at WCC a few years ago, 
> but have not touched Linux since.? I do have a computer background.
>
> I will be using this laptop for home office.? Maybe some graphics and 
> access to the Web. I would want a GUI interface. '

Since you haven't used Linux a lot and probably want everything
to "just work", I'd suggest trying the Mint distro.? It provides
preconfigured apps for office work and multimedia.

c


From CLIF at cflynt.com  Thu Jun 18 09:06:47 2020
From: CLIF at cflynt.com (Clif Flynt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:06:47 -0400
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
References: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200618130647.GA649@clif.cflynt.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:38:24AM -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> The CPU is 32-bit only.  Many distros have dropped 32-bit support.  In the
> Ubuntu family 18.04 had the last 32-bit release.  Lubuntu or Xubuntu would
> be my recommendation.

  I'll second the Lubuntu suggestion. That's Ubuntu with LXDE - and
skips the extra step of installing LXDE after the system is installed.

  Clif 

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From treii28 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 13:07:06 2020
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:07:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [WLUG] Question which distro?
In-Reply-To: <20200618130647.GA649@clif.cflynt.com>
References: <CAExp8XDv-=esoDYkU00Oy5DXSBDXPRkpOopGOteuToL00W1GjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200618130647.GA649@clif.cflynt.com>
Message-ID: <1327752996.198355.1592500026345@mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I'd probably be prone to recommend Lubuntu or Xubuntu for such a machine, but Ubuntu mate does still support 32 bit.? However, I'm going to throw in a caveat, as -- if you are green to linux in general --? you may be adding headaches trying to use an old piece of hardware while still learning your way around.

That doesn't mean you can't use it, but you may want to also have a second linux running somewhere on more current hardware. i.e. as something to 'compare' to when you run into headaches so you know if it's something in general or something specific to the old, out-of-date hardware on the device in question.

There are a couple of options to do that.? You can run from a live image where you run a linux off a CD.? Many distros support live images. This basically amounts to running a software linux on another platform such as windows.? You can do something similar with a virtualbox or other virtual machine image.? You can set up an additional partition and 'dual boot' an existing windows machine (giving you the option to re-boot and run linux instead - on some modern processors, more than one OS can be run at the same time without using a software virtual machine)

Of those three (live, virtual-machine, dual-boot) the 'live' is probably the easiest to deal with. But there are other inexpensive options such as buying a raspberry pi or other SBC in the $10-40 range and installing a raspbian (debian) or other image on it.

SW
---- Barack-O-phobia: The fear of politicians who think (more) government is the solution to every problem. 

    On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 09:13:29 AM EDT, Clif Flynt <clif at cflynt.com> wrote:  
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:38:24AM -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> The CPU is 32-bit only.? Many distros have dropped 32-bit support.? In the
> Ubuntu family 18.04 had the last 32-bit release.? Lubuntu or Xubuntu would
> be my recommendation.

? I'll second the Lubuntu suggestion. That's Ubuntu with LXDE - and
skips the extra step of installing LXDE after the system is installed.

? Clif 

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..... Linux Shell Scripting Cookbook (4'th edition) - Packt .....
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