[WLUG] Free SLES Distro?

Thu Feb 12 10:42:55 EST 2015

Yes, I feel your pain.  This is exactly the reason
that I'm only using EL7 for workstations and not for
servers.  EL6 will be supported for many years and I
have no reason to migrate to 7.

I'm still laughing about the old codger shouting
at the kids to "get off my lan".

If you're going window shopping, I'd look at Debian
and Slackware.  Otherwise, stay with EL6 for the
time being.

c

Clif Flynt wrote:
> Hi,
>   The main thing I'm disliking about the new Centos & SL is the GUI,
> and how pervasive, non-intuitive and unavoidable it's becoming.
>
>   For instance, my machines are in a physically secure environment. I
> do *NOT* want to lock the screen when I leave it for a few minutes, and
> I wanted to change the timeout period for screensavers and screen going
> blank.
>
>   These are controlled from the Menu System Tools/Settings.  I can get
> along with that, but  turning off the screen-lock is under Privacy,
> setting the screen timeout is under Power, and I forget where I found
> screen saver settings.
>
>   It wasn't that long ago that all of these things were grouped
> together under "Display", where it made some sense to find the controls
> for the display.
>
>   BackInTheOldDays, there were a bunch of 'config' applications in
> /usr/sbin that would let me do stuff remotely.  If I was doing something
> new, I could "ls" that folder and find a clue for what application would
> configure things.
>
>   But most of those have vanished, and if I don't know the magic set of
> buttons and menus to find something, I need to hit the net, and as
> often as not discover that the docco hasn't been updated to reflect the
> new menus and panels.
>
>   My preference for Scientific Linux over Centos was based on the
> larger crop of available applications, but things like FVWM or even
> LXDE aren't available for SL-7.
>
>   Someday, I will embrace Gnome and KDE, but the developers seem to
> think they are writing emacs and everything should be a WM/DE
> application that can only be run when you sit in front of the computer.
>
>   I'm not thrilled with systemd.  It seems like an obtuse and less
> flexible solution to the problem of obtuse and inflexible .rc files.
>
>   But I can live with it.
>
>   But, it's not fully integrated (yet) in SL/7. Sendmail is still
> controlled with init.d.  This might be that RH is moving away from
> sendmail.  I'll concede that sendmail is a bear to configure, but last
> time I looked at postfix it couldn't do the envelope rewriting I need.
>
>   My joy with OpenSuSE has been that everything under the sun is
> available from the repositories and I don't always have to compile my
> tools from scratch.
>
>   I was hoping for something similar with OpenSLE, but apparently that
> project is dead.  Lots of folks thought it would be a good idea, but only
> one guy was willing to work on it, and he's had health issues.
>
>   I use Ubuntu for a few projects, but it's worse than RedHat for silly
> GUI rework of the week.  (The version of UbuntuStudio with black screen
> background, black window borders, black windows and blue lettering was
> cool-as-heck to look at, but utterly unusable.  And that was the "good"
> theme.)
>
>   I think I'll look at Debian Stable and see what they've done to
> compete with Windows 8 for bad usability.
>
>   And, yeah, a bunch of this is an old codger shouting at the kids to
> "get off my lan".  But my clients pay me to develop applications,  not
> spend time learning where functionality is hidden today, what new
> applications have replaced older perfectly functional ones, etc.
>
>   And, I wish that "Software Tools" was force fed to these developers
> who keep putting everything, including the kitchen sink into one room.
>
> Clif
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:16:56AM -0500, Carl T. Miller wrote:
>> Hey Clif,
>>
>> I don't have any suggestions about SuSE, but you did
>> get me curious about Scientific Linux.  I use Centos
>> 6 on a lot of servers and Centos 7 on my laptop.  I'm
>> completely happy with Centos.  What is it about SL7
>> that you don't like?
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> Clif Flynt wrote:
>> > I normally use OpenSuse for my work systems and Centos or Scientific
>> > Linux for my servers.
>> >
>> > I'm becoming disenchanted with Scientific Linux 7.
>> >
>> > Is there a Centos/SL equivalent for Suse Enterprise?  Something
>> > that uses the for-pay, stable, sources and builds a free distro?
>> >
>> > I found references to OpenSLE, but that appears dead.
>> >
>> > Other suggestions?
>> >
>> > Clif
>> >
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